Episode 109

Chelsea Cebara's Weed Sexuality Has Gravity

May 19, 2020 | Length: 39m 13s

A special episode with the co-founder of the acclaimed cannabis lubricant brand Velvet Swing. Chelsea Cebara wasn’t a cannabis consumer when the Florida transplant arrived in Seattle. Trained in the scientific method, Cebara came to the creation of her product through unorthodox avenues.

  • Cebara entered the cannabis industry while teaching sex education various Seattle weed and sex shops.
  • A week prior to Washington State legalization, a painful endometriosis attack brought her to the cannabis plant. 
  • Cebara co-founded her brand with the dominatrix and writer Mistress Matisse (Episode 20

Chelsea Cebara on Twitter

Velvet Swing

Mistress Matisse on Twitter

Alex Halperin’s Cannabis Dictionary

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Podcast transcript

Chelsea Cebara (00:01):
It’s in the stitching of Seattle, the undercurrent of vice, the undercurrent of anti-authoritarianism. You may know this, the famous story about the seamstresses in Seattle. Okay. There was a census done, I forget exactly when, or late 1800s, uh, in Seattle and they, um, asked for, you know, gender and occupation and there were, I don’t know the exact number, but there’s a huge number of women listed as seamstress and in all of Seattle there was one sewing machine. Um, of course this is because a lot of men came through here and on their way up to Alaska and there was this all kind of like pioneer traffic and everything like that. And so the sex work was very, it was very profitable here. And, so it started from the beginning, from the very beginning, we have had, um, a lusty relationship with the more illicit sides of sexuality and also not caring that that’s known. You know, we’re like, yeah. Seattle’s a kinky city.

Alex Halperin (01:16):
Welcome to WeedWeek. I’m Alex Halperin.

Donnell Alexander (01:18):
And I’m Donnell Alexander.

Alex Halperin (01:20):
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Donnell Alexander (01:42):
Our episode is special in that in 2018 I sat down with one of my favorite Seattle mothers, Chelsea Cebera, cofounder of the celebrated brand Velvet Swing. And you know what kind of cannabis products, velvet swing makes Alex?

Alex Halperin (01:56):
The make lube.

Donnell Alexander (01:56):
For cars or cars using cannabis. How’s this work?

Alex Halperin (02:00):
No, not for cars. It’s for humans. For, for sex.

Donnell Alexander (02:04):
Yeah. And we haven’t done a story like this. Not one about a former non-consumer from Florida innovating a popular lube product in the nation’s opposite corner. Um, it should be, it’s interesting. I took a lot of the sex out just because we’re a cannabis podcast and not a sex podcast. We had to come down somewhere in the middle.

Alex Halperin (02:27):
Have you had any experiences with cannabis lubes, Donny?

Donnell Alexander (02:30):
Yes, but I read in that talk about it. The one thing I will say is that men and women can use them. That’s the surprising element. We talked a little bit about it on the uh, the holiday gift guide episode.

Alex Halperin (02:41):
I once used the uh, cannabis lube for um, you know, for, for research purposes and, but my, my partner or her mind was blown away but, but that had mainly to do with me.

Donnell Alexander (02:55):
Oh, I know. I really want to hear where you’re going with this. Is that, that’s not where you are going.

Alex Halperin (02:59):
No, it just didn’t do anything for her. I don’t know if it was the brand or that the products in general don’t work for her or maybe don’t work for most people. I’m just not sure.

Donnell Alexander (03:10):
This is. addressed in the episode. I won’t go giving away too much. But like a lot of people report not getting high the first time they smoke. A lot of people who use lubricants, they don’t always report having a, an experience the first time. Not sure what that’s all about. Okay. Maybe that’s what happened. I also will say there’s a lot of variables and I just think some products are better than others. And people say really good things about velvet swing.

Alex Halperin (03:36):
I’ll say that the product I used wasn’t velvet swing.

Donnell Alexander (03:39):
This is someone worth listening to because she comes from a scientific approach. She’s not just screwing around. Cool. But before we talk about this, we have something in them in a newsier vein.

Alex Halperin (03:50):
Yeah, so that’s a, that’s talking about jobs. I’m happy to have one. Yeah, so a survey conducted by Leafly and the national cannabis round table, that’s the industry lobby fronted by former speaker of the house, John Bayner found that tens of thousands of jobs would be saved if industry were able to access federal coronavirus relief. You know, that’s, that’s pretty interesting. And it also found that 58% of cannabis businesses have cut their workforce, which is pretty devastating. And in an industry that has been a pretty positive jobs creator for the last couple of years,

Donnell Alexander (04:29):
When I saw the survey was conducted by the national cannabis round table, I thought this is where John Bayner earns his money.

Alex Halperin (04:37):
He doesn’t go door to door conducting the survey.

Donnell Alexander (04:40):
I would love to see that. No, I think of this now as a a campaign for winning public opinion. You know, it’s not like cannabis users historically have been people to call their politicians and say, represent me in DC, but now’s the time where I think what people think about the industry is going to play a huge role in whether there’s a remedy sent to retailers, growers, processors, etc. I think it was last night on the daily show, I saw a piece about the cannabis industry struggles and when you’re crossing over like that, you were at the beginning of being able to let, let America know that this essential industry is, I’m struggling. I think too much of it happens in private. I feel like this is an ongoing conversation, but I do think that’s the case.

Alex Halperin (05:21):
So tell us about your conversation with Chelsea.

Donnell Alexander (05:23):
The only thing you need to understand about this velvet swing origin story is that Chelsea Sabira wasn’t a consumer of cannabis when she arrived in Washington and what she calls the ass end of Oh eight, she had a physical condition that brought her to her weed revelation. But just as much the years and months preceding this revelation are what make her story interesting. What’s compelling is that Chelsea wasn’t looking for business. She was looking for a community.

Alex Halperin (05:50):
Here’s what Chelsea Cebara told Donny up in Seattle’s Fremont neighborhood.

Chelsea Cebara (06:09):
[inaudible] We are a kinky city. Uh, it is not a coincidence that Savage loved Dan savages column. And that led to mistress Matisa column control tower, um, which was in many alternative weeklies across the country. Uh, started here and for our size, our community is as big as new York’s. I moved out here at the ass end of 2005. My husband at the time, and I drove out here. I was looking for community and while I was going to school, before I actually got into the meat of my thesis work, I almost moved back to Florida. You know, we went out to our local bar and we met some people and like they were friends, they kind of became a friend group, but we were in experiencing what is called the Seattle freeze where people are very nice, they’re very polite, but you can’t get through to the actual friendship and intimacy unless you have a lot of time with them or you have some kind of shared experience or interests that kind of pops that bubble. And drinking at a bar is not sufficient for that. So we had these friends that like we kind of were there with, we didn’t really vibe, but we liked them, but it wasn’t quite, we couldn’t get through to the deeper intimacy. And coming from Florida, which is the South really, um, it, it was very shocking and I felt very lonely. And a friend of mine in Florida had died and I went back and went to his funeral. He had died unexpectedly and um, saw my old friends and I was like, Oh my friends, you know. And I came back to Seattle and there was no one, it was nothing, just my partner. And he was working long hours and I was going to school and working and I, I, yeah, it was very, very lonely. And then I started doing my thesis work and as a result of this, I put out a call on a polyamory board and said, I’m a researcher. I’m looking for participants. And that was fascinating. The people that responded to that. It was just if you really want to get hit on, like that’s the way to do it. First of all, as a young female that will get you hit on, um, including a woman that I went out and we did an interview and I found myself attracted to her. One of the cool things about doing this research from the modern perspective at anthropology is you don’t try to maintain that reserve. You don’t try to maintain that distance between you and your subject. You’re part of the research. And if you end up in a romantic relationship with your subject, all the better. And my advisor encouraged me to be in my research. So we did our interview. Nothing funny, you know, during the interview process. But afterwards, um, she asked me out and I said, OK. And uh, we started dating and I said, I’m really struggling to find community here. I’m not vibing with people. And then, um, she said, I think what she actually said was, Oh honey, I’ll take you to a party. And she took me to a party. Uh, which later I found out was a sex party. But at the time I didn’t, I didn’t see sex happening, but she hadn’t told me that it was a sexy party I was wearing. I don’t know, I kind of always dressed a little slutty. I’m still trying to learn to not dress slutty. I like to dress slutty. It’s good. I know. I really like, I want to be naked all the time and that’s just, I know I’m going to end up in a nudist colony. I know what’s happening. So I’m sure I was wearing something that was kind of suggested, but I wasn’t going to it as a like I was, I was there with my, you know, I wasn’t married. As I said, I’m not monogamous, so I was, I was dating this woman there with her and she was dressed normally and we show up and the house is like a Bohemian fantasy of like tapestries and there’s pillows everywhere and it’s beautiful. This is not like a stoner garage. This is like in the central district. It’s an old house that’s been decked out. Sumptuously there’s no overt sexuality going on, but everyone’s just cuddling and talking and maybe holding hands and I just remember looking around at all of these people, all of these beautiful people and going, this is it. This is my community. Here they are. Here are the freaks. Here are the weirdos. Here are the people who look at life. The way that I do is this,

Donnell Alexander (10:38):
this is before or after the sex.

Chelsea Cebara (10:41):
I never saw the sex. This one I didn’t, I didn’t know it was a sex party. It was not. Maybe it was a party where it was okay for sex to happen. Maybe it was a sex positive environment where the intent of the party is not sex. But if you find yourself called to do that, that they support that and you don’t have to hide that, you know? Um, but I never saw sex happening while it was there. And part of the reason for that was that I was making out with my girlfriend in the upstairs bedroom. I was too busy. So, yeah, so it did, it did, it did it unless Laura terms, but it did, um, the acknowledgement, I described my relationship with this woman and, and kinda more clinical terms. But the point of of that papers was not really to narratively convey my individual experience. It was more to use my individual experience as an insight on how things are done in this culture. At that party. I also ended up meeting my second husband who was there with his partner at the time. And in my personal life, you know, I, the woman that I was seeing and I broke up and I did start to see, um, this guy that I met at this party and he, you know, and then as things happen over time, relationships changed. My first husband and I got divorced. We were not a good match. We were very in love, but we were not a good match. Um, and I didn’t think I was ever going to get married again. But then I did actually end up getting married to this guy. A few years later. In that time I had the good fortune of being laid off. I had put myself through school in part doing corporate leasing, which if you can imagine how I looked at this time, I had this, you know, bright red, like shaved head side thing and uh.

Donnell Alexander (12:40):
what is that business? What does that loosen?

Chelsea Cebara (12:42):
It was, um, rental properties for business entities and I also did residential leasing. It doesn’t require a real estate license. So it’s good for entry level and the money is very good. So I would um, take, you know, clients on tours of office spaces or of, uh, apartments, you know, Lisa will properties, rental properties, um, show them around. And then if they decided that they wanted to sign a lease, I would draft the lease and take them through it. And um, it was great. It was sales basically, but it was fun. It was enjoyable. It wasn’t what I wanted to do with my life. But then I graduated from college directly into the recession and couldn’t find anything in my, I mean, an anthropology degree. What’s that? It’s very useful, but nobody’s hiring anthropologists. So I went back to leasing because I needed some money and it was fine. I was doing some corporate leasing and then the company, the building that I was working out of was sold and the company laid a bunch of people off, myself included. And that was a turning point because then I was liberated suddenly violently from my employment. My status is employment. And at this moment I stopped thinking of myself as an employee and I started thinking of myself as a sentience collection of marketable skills. And this is I think something that a lot of millennials, I’m an old millennial, have uh, went through, they said all of a sudden traditional employment isn’t working. What skills do I have that I can monetize? And then we ended up with the gig economy and I was very much a creature of the gig economy. I went, well, what can I do? What do I know how to do? I know about sex, I can teach people about sex. I know about, uh, I know how to bake. So I sat a small baking business, I was loved to bake and I had a home based baking business for awhile. I was doing burlesque. I can monetize that. It’s not a huge income, but it is not nothing. I was 25, I had $5, but it was always just two hours here, two hours there, you know, and the ups and downs of self-employment gigging as a primary source of income is very stressful. And then I looked for a buffer to that stress in the form of a day job I was starting to look for. Like I need something that’s a part time job that I know at least I’ll get a hundred dollars every week. So some months you make, you know, four grand, some months you make nothing and some months you make nothing. Two months in a row. I was just at this process when I was over at my friend’s house, we were just hanging out and I had an onset of endometriosis pain, endometriosis being when there’s uterine material outside the uterus and the pain is excruciating. Every time you get your period, the tissue swells. But it has nowhere to go. And so your abdomen is contracting and it’s, you know, vomiting and just horrendous. It’s awful. Awful pain. Like if the house was on fire, I could not have left. I would give birth four times again before I want to go through endometriosis again. This is happening. I’m a complete wreck and my friend says, you should smoke some weed. And I said, no, no, I don’t even like weed. Like, she’s like, no, no, you don’t understand. You need to do this. Take two. Bong rips. And I’m desperate. I’ve tried everything. I’ve been on prescription pain killers, muscle relaxers, all this stuff. None of it has ever helped. And here I am on the floor on my friend’s house, and she’s offering me a bong. And I’m saying, okay, fine. So I did two bong rips in 10 minutes. The pain was gone. I didn’t even feel high. The pain was gone. And I said, what is that? Where is that from? Where can I get that?

Chelsea Cebara (17:03):
[inaudible] and she, uh, told me that her friend was actually the source of this cannabis and that she was opening up a medical dispensary. And this is the dawning of legalized medical cannabis in Washington. This is literally day one, uh, that it was like a week away from day one of opening the doors of legal, medical cannabis. I had to find out about it. I, I, it was such a transformative experience. I had to know everything. That’s just how my mind works. And maybe I, you know, the, the education that I received is why my brain is set to, I need to understand, I need to pick it apart. I need, I want to know this intimately.

Donnell Alexander (17:41):
We’ll skip over that part. Can you just go on a little more? Why do you think, why do you connect those two points?

Chelsea Cebara (17:47):
Uh, it’s just a way of relating to the world and to new information, a thirst for understanding and that I think did come from growing up in an unstructured learning environment where learning is pleasurable and passionate instead of something that is authoritatively imposed. And I, I really wanted to understand why this had healed me, or at least it had addressed my symptoms in such a profound and noticeable way when nothing else ever had. I ended up talking to the friend who was opening the dispensary and this is at the time where I’m looking for a job and she said, Hey, I’m actually looking for someone to run the front desk. Awesome. Interviewed and I have my day job and I start learning and I’m working there in this environment. I’m learning everything as from the experienced people that are there. I’m reading of my own accord and trying to find out what, what is the deal with cannabis as a medicine. And eventually I did a bud tend there. I started actually helping people connect with the right strains and stuff like that. And I worked there off and on and that’s where the bulk of my experience came from. And that in my, my just kind of voracious consumption of what exists out there as, as both anecdotal. And.

Donnell Alexander (19:13):
so where do these worlds merge? I mean, cause it’s like a go getter logical stuff and random picture. Where do you get to the point where you’re making the product?

Chelsea Cebara (19:26):
Oh yeah. Well it began when I started, uh, when I was working at this dispensary, which the now that became a recreational pot shop because everything unfortunately moved under the purview of recreational law, which was very, uh, it was a bad thing for patients. It’s really unfortunate. But at this time I’m, I’m bud tending as a day job and I start seeing products coming in that are designed for sexuality and they’ve got these hilarious names like Hempy endings or the token poke, like it’s awful. So they, I’m seeing this stuff and because of my background, I’m in sex education and sexuality and sexual health. I am looking at the ingredients on these and going, Whoa, you can’t put that in a vagina. That is a yeast infection waiting to happen. You can’t, this is formulated really poorly.

Donnell Alexander (20:22):
Give me some examples of some of the,

Chelsea Cebara (20:24):
um, glycerin, right? Which is just food for, for yeast. And it might be okay for some women, maybe not. Um, there were, uh, butane extractions that would contain resident, uh, residues butane. Um, and I don’t have any scientific data on why putting butane residue in your vagina might be a bad idea, but I can guarantee you I won’t do that and I won’t let anyone else do that. I can help it. So I realized that there was this world of people who knew a lot about cannabis and there’s this world of people who knew a lot about sex, but that there wasn’t really anyone in between those worlds that was making products. And I started as a first step teaching sex and cannabis workshops because not only were these kind of awful products, not all of them, some of them were, were great or at least were good. Not only were those around, but there was a complete lack of acknowledgement or conversation around the fact that this is a mind altering substance. That if you include it into your sexuality, brings up questions of consent and of meaningful consent. It is something that is new and I think, I think we need to be emphasizing it more. There are some people who would say if you are in any way altered that your consent is invalidated. And I don’t believe that. I believe that you can make your own risk assessments and that human beings are pretty resilient. Um, if you go into things mindfully and knowingly that said, we do need to talk about it and we have an existing cultural understanding of alcohol as it comes to bear on consent, that you can be too drunk to consent. And that if you’ve had, like there are things that you should do if you’ve had a few drinks to think about. If you really want to do stuff in the sex positive world, we’re very practiced at being intentional prior to sexual activity. We set out, you know, this is what I want to do. This is my, yes, is my nose, my maybes. Here’s what I’m open to. Here’s what you want. Here’s the last time I was tested. Here’s, you know, my relationship structure, this is all normalized in the sex positive community is not normalized in the Muggle community. So, um, yeah, the Mo I, I take that from uh, J K Rawlings Harry Potter books. It’s a way, it’s a, it’s a way of saying normal people, right, without being pejorative because there’s nothing wrong with being normal. It’s just our, our, our dominant culture doesn’t encourage us to speak intentionally and openly about sexuality, which is why I wanted to do something about that, righ? So we’re not having the conversation of we’re going to smoke a joint together. Sometimes weed makes people go nonverbal. I’m not too high, but I’m having a hard time speaking. How can I tell you with hand squeezes yes or no, do more, do less, please stop. That kind of thing. Especially if you have an edible cause you can get way too out there with an edible and then you might find yourself not able to, you know, and you combine with alcohol or other drugs and all of this other stuff that goes into the mix. I’m not saying don’t get high and screw, I actually think that’s a great idea, but know what you’re doing. Know your body, know how your body reacts to cannabis. And this was the meat of my, of my workshop was that, um, you need to know what’s out there, what options exist. There are psychoactive options. There are non-psychoactive options. You don’t have to get high and you need to know yourself and you need to be able to communicate with your partner and you need to have contingencies for if your, your yes. Becomes a maybe not midstream during the activities. Right.

Donnell Alexander (24:25):
These are the conversations you’re having at your workshop.

Chelsea Cebara (24:28):
Yes. Yeah.

Donnell Alexander (24:29):
Did you have to do many of them?

Chelsea Cebara (24:32):
Yeah, they, they actually became very, very popular.

Donnell Alexander (24:38):
Show me what a good one looks like.

Chelsea Cebara (24:39):
My slides have gotten much better than they used to, but it starts off.

Donnell Alexander (24:42):
When I’m in the room, you know, just in terms of what you’re looking at from the podium.

Chelsea Cebara (24:47):
Well, most of these happen in sex shops or in pot shops. Um, originally just mostly insect shops. Bay bland was fantastic. Um, I started working with them and they, they were all there continued to be great, uh, to work with. Um, and I would stand surrounded by dildos and whips and people come in, you know, who have either signed up or sometimes people just come in who are walking in off the street and they’re interested in the topic. We did different formats. Sometimes we would be sitting where people, the store was closed and it would only be people who had registered in advance or something. And most of these folks, wide variety of folks, um, was these folks wanted easy answers, like the guy in the back of the, and I’m sorry, but it is always a guy. There’s the guy in the back, what strands are going to make my wife horny? You know, my wife doesn’t want to have sex anymore. What strains do I give her to make her horny again?

Donnell Alexander (25:46):
I’m gonna give you credit for being the first person to do a voice. [inaudible] so, it’s always a guy.

Chelsea Cebara (25:55):
It’s this guy. And uh, yeah. And, and first of all I’m like, well, if your wife doesn’t have want to have sex anymore, it probably like the solution is not a joint. Probably the solution is communication about what, what’s going on with her. And the second part of it is that it’s not that simple because of the uniqueness of everyone’s endocannabinoid system, which is incredibly unique. Um, what works for me might not work for his wife. And, um, there’s a process of discovery that’s just inherent to cannabis, which is kind of the reasons why it’s resisted, uh, commodification. And that I think, uh, definitely, uh, spoke to my little black anarchist heart was because it’s so you, you can’t isolate cannabinoids and have them do the same thing that the whole plant does. And Western science is amazing. I’m a huge fan of science. Um, but it seeks to isolate variables and then say this is the part that works. This is the therapeutic part. And that’s what we did with THC. This is the active ingredient. But if you have straight up THC or it’s synthetic ma Marinol, you have a bad time. It’s not pleasant. And that’s because it’s not meant to work in isolation. It’s meant to work. Symphonically with the other compounds, there’s like 88 or 102 something. The number changes all the time depending on where you ask, um, known cannabinoids.

Donnell Alexander (27:29):
Do you see parallels in your own life between how this works? You know, I mean, cause it seems like an integrated, like your course stuff.

Chelsea Cebara (27:37):
You know, I never thought about that actually, but you’re probably onto something.

Donnell Alexander (27:40):
So how do you get there? How do you get there to becoming someone who’s making, making stuff?

Chelsea Cebara (27:45):
Yeah. Yeah. Well, once we, once I was doing that, I was, uh, I was making and um, sharing with my sex positive community. I was making a cannabis lube on my stove top and topicals are my area of prime primary fascination topically applied cannabis or topicals for short is um, just cannabis infused into oil. Similar how you would to do a, uh, to make brownies or something like that. You would infuse them into butter. Um, it’s the same thing only infused into an oil that you then would rub on your skin. There’s a lot of versions on this and it gets way more complex, but it turns out you have these endocannabinoid receptors on your skin and in the immediate tissue underneath. Um, basically any, um, anywhere that oil lives, there tend to be these receptors, which is interesting. Um, and uh, cannabinoids are powerful. Antiinflammatories I have to be clear that I’m not making any medical claims here. This is all with an asterisk of many people say, I have heard my personal experience has been and things like that. Um, they’re also a vasodilator, which means they, they will bring blood to tiny, uh, blood vessels, uh, particularly THC but other ones as well. And if you do this, uh, if you do an infusion, there’s a particular kind that you can do and I try to retain as much of the whole plant as possible. So I do a really short term infusion. Um, if you then use that with coconut oil or olive oil as a lube, um, you get this vasodilation effect and increase the sensitivity. I just am obsessed with topical applications in the first place. I think they’re really under utilized and really amazing and especially using them for sex, um, is just, I mean, it’s phenomenal. The vasodilation, the flushing is distinct from warming lubes and sensitizing lubes because it interacts with your body’s native systems of arousal, warming lubes and sensitizing lubes create an exterior sensation of cold or tingliness. Cannabinoids applied topically just cause this kind of natural flushing similar to what you would get if you were horny and trying to focus in a board meeting or something like that. It feels normal after about 20 minutes and good luck getting the funding to study this. Although there is someone trying to study right now and I’m trying to boost her signal as much as possible. But after about 20 minutes of absorption, many people experience an amplification of orgasm and I can’t understand why the whole world isn’t turned on to this. This is the coolest thing.

Donnell Alexander (30:48):
You get an applicant amplification of orgasm, have you?

Chelsea Cebara (30:51):
Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, it actually took it. It’s similar to uh, the first time you smoke, you don’t get high. Sometimes people report that a lot. Um, it’s similar to that. The first time that I used it, I first got some, uh, cannabis leaf that my friend made and I tried it. And the first one I was like, I don’t really think I noticed anything. And I tried it again and I was like, Oh, it’s a little bit, little bit better, a little bit more. I’m noticing. And the third time that I tried it, I was like, I’m going to make that. It was really, it’s really amazing and I recommend it to everybody. This was at this point when I was making it on my stove. This is just sharing with, with friends at this point. Uh, I’m doing these workshops and I’m, I’m, I’m making this stuff. And my friend from the sex positive community and sex education community, um, mistress Matisse, she, uh, gets, uh, connected with, she knows, uh, our CEO. They were friends for a long time.

Mistress Matisse (31:54):
One fine day I ran into a friend of mine who said, Oh, definitely, I just got the craziest job. I’ve been made to pop company and I should really have you now. Brendan said, Chelsea. So that’s her name. Chelsea, we have a moment here, like, I have a connection. You have this talent. And I got, I got the shit rattled, basil. So we pitched the idea of this cannabis lube to this pot company and they were very interested in it.

Chelsea Cebara (32:23):
And she contacted me and said, I’ve got a line on a company that has an emulsion technology. They, they’re willing to make a product line for me, but I need someone to make it. Do you want to job in the cannabis industry? And at first I, I’ve got a job in the cannabis industry, like I’m fine, you know, but she kept kind of, you know, saying, Hey, I think we should do this eventually. Uh, and I was contracting for a little bit and then, uh, they talked me into coming down not on full time and, uh, uh, to create the formula for, um, it’s a lot of trial and error. I mean, I, I, I come from a social science background, not a hard science background, but the scientific method is pretty much what I did and I had a knowledge of what goes into a lube.

Chelsea Cebara (33:17):
Um, fortunately it’s not as complex because you want to keep the ingredients minimal. You want it to just be, you know, as, as little as possible. And we just, uh, experimented with different ingredients, different, uh, arrangements, different proportions and different, uh, yeah. And then we use the base emulsion, which is their proprietary technology. And that is fortunately pretty clean. Also. It doesn’t have a lot of like funny stuff going on in there. It’s all vaginally compatible. And then we did a lot of testing.

Donnell Alexander (33:50):
Over what period of time are we talking at this house?

Chelsea Cebara (33:52):
It took about eight months.

Donnell Alexander (33:55):
What were the initial results like?

Chelsea Cebara (33:57):
It was the results so far as orgasmic enhancement. Sensitivity enhancement were always really good. The uh, consistency of the lube itself was really the tricky part because I, I knew from experience what cannabinoids to put in at what ratios and that was just because of my, uh, my knowledge with the cannabis world with, uh, you know, certain turpines will enhance absorption of cannabinoids. Uh, certain cannabinoids in certain ratios will work synergistically.

Donnell Alexander (34:31):
How did you know mistress Matisse before?

Chelsea Cebara (34:33):
Oh, we, we were both sex educators and we’ve been in the sex positive world together.

Donnell Alexander (34:37):
How did you meet her? Do you remember meeting her.

Chelsea Cebara (34:40):
well, at a party, of course.

Donnell Alexander (34:45):
What part of the party were you most comfortable sharing on this podcast? You can share a it all, but I’m just saying,

Chelsea Cebara (34:52):
Oh goodness.

Donnell Alexander (34:54):
Purely sexual. Did you, I mean, how did you know.

Chelsea Cebara (34:57):
we, we, we have not had, so, um, we, we, we’ve been a lot of sexual situations together. Um, flirting for a really long, I don’t know. I w I mean, what is flirting? I, I can’t help it flirt with everything. But the first time we met I was absolutely too intimidated to go up to her. She’s a local celebrity, right? I’ve been reading her column. I can’t believe I’m seeing this person, you know, she’s gorgeous and I’m just like, I can’t, what do I do? And I was very young at the time as well. The first time I met her I was, Oh, hi, nice to meet you. You know, and, and that was it. And then our communities overlapped a lot. So we, we ended up at, at parties together. Her partner had me suspended in rope over the penthouse of a apartment building one time.

Chelsea Cebara (35:49):
But it was, it was great. It was, it was fun. So we knew each other from that. We knew each other from just, just being in the same community. And she knew that I did this and uh, may have partaken of the loop that I was making.

Donnell Alexander (36:02):
It is so favorable.

Chelsea Cebara (36:04):
Yes. But she never liked how oily, uh, how oily it was. And this is just a problem with cannabinoids because they’re only a Fillic. Um, they, uh, they want to be with other oils and since oils work well for lube, it’s very easy to just infuse them into oils and then use those oils as, as lube. But oils do have some drawbacks. They, they are staining the kind of messy and they smell like weed and it’s not a problem for me to smell like weed actually like the smell of weed. But a lot of people I’ve been learning now in my current capacity, don’t, they don’t want to smell weed in their sexual experience.

Donnell Alexander (36:47):
So you’re still working these things out, correct.

Chelsea Cebara (36:49):
Well, now we’ve got it. We’re on the market and we’re number one.

Alex Halperin (36:55):
Our guests was homeschooled back in Orlando, Florida, Chelsea Cebara’s parents are Laura Ball and Bobby Cole, both professional golfers. It happened that they discussed raising Chelsea and her six siblings in last Sunday’s USA Today, we’ll include a link to that on the podcast show page.

Donnell Alexander (37:13):
and that is our show for this week. If you would like to offer feedback, go with hello at weedweek dot Net, but before you do that, before you begin that project, here’s Alex with his weekly Twitter thing.

Alex Halperin (37:26):
We’re thrilled to welcome at Hilary Corrigan. That’s H I L A R Y C O R R I G A N as our new reporter. What’s her background? Hilary lives in Oregon and she’s got a great background in energy and environmental reporting and as you should check out the website because she’ll be filing original stories for us daily, which means we’ve got original reporting and analysis on the site just about every day.

Donnell Alexander (37:59):
Yeah, it’s a great addition. I love people with reporting backgrounds coming into the weed industry covering it. Thanks for listening. We have new episodes on the website every Tuesday morning. You can also catch me Friday at five West coast time in our Instagram live podcast freezer stash. This week I’ll have Mary Jane Gibson and Elvis McGovern, the alleged MacGyver of weed from episode 70 and we’ll have a drink.

Alex Halperin (38:24):
Also, make sure you enter our contest to win an autograph copy of the cannabis dictionary I pinned. As you may have heard, Forbes gave my book its highest weed recommendation. You can enter by signing up for our one of our newsletters that sweet wheat made weed Canada and weed weed, California. They’re all free and they’re all at WEEDWEEK.net and if you’ve listened this far, subscribe and review or like us on Google play, iHeart radio, Stitcher, or wherever it is, you happen to be here. Yes, I’m Alex Halperin.

Donnell Alexander (38:56):
And I am Donnell Alexander.

Alex Halperin (38:57):
Our show’s produced by Donnie Alexander, engineered by Larry Buhl and Alicia Byer wrote our theme music. We’ll catch you again here next week later. [inaudible].